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1 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 10:36:46am

I would have plussed this up except you had to go Godwin when it really wasn't necessary...

2 celticdragon  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 10:52:29am

I only had to take they words that were written and let them stand for themselves in comparison. Corporatist nationalistic ideology is what it is, and it does no good to pretend otherwise.

The current trend of attacking gays, unions and religious minorities while pledging to rebuild a mythic past based on traditional family virtue, and calling for sacrifices for the good of the state are all very, very familiar to historians.

Godwin? No. There is a real fascistic strain of right wing nationalist populism going around, and it scares me to death.

3 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 11:12:10am

re: #2 celticdragon

Yeah, this is over the top Godwinian.

4 celticdragon  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 11:29:40am

I'm sorry you feel that way. I have reading rather extensively on the subject in my European history class (mid term tomorrow), and I cannot ignore parallel trends in ideology. Far right wing populism that hinges on nationalistic supremacy, racism, demonization and scapegoating of outsiders and the reconstruction of a past, mythic society are exactly what is going on now in the far right wing, and it has happened before in another country that was in the middle of an economic crisis.

The Constitution (for now) is what keeps a populist right wing despot out of power, but we are one terror attack or one "incident" away from losing that protection (the chances of an actual left wing Stalinist despot getting traction in this political climate are about slim to none).

If you are not alarmed, then you are not paying enough attention.

5 celticdragon  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 11:30:08am

meh PIMF.

6 Tarkloon  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:17:43pm

re: #4 celticdragon

Now you are just waxing hysterical so just cut it out, I'm trying to help you out and make your arg stronger. You diminish it by dipping into the "They're just like Hitler" barrel.

Keep in mind that this is how it got started with those creeps at Free Republic. A little hyperbole, a little demonization, etc. etc.

It's a good post, you don't need to go there. Sometimes just the facts laid straight out is a much more powerful argument than a lot of invective.

7 Tarkloon  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:18:06pm

re: #6 Tarkloon

Tarkloon== sock for Thanos btw.

8 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:21:58pm

re: #6 Tarkloon

There was nothing hysterical there. Accusing others of hyperbole by using hyperbole is kind of silly.

9 celticdragon  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 4:11:42pm

re: #6 Tarkloon

You must have missed the numerous connections that Charles has made at this blog concerning the far right and neo fascists. I left the conservative movement for much the same reason.

10 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 2, 2011 4:20:43pm

re: #9 celticdragon

I understand completely, but calling them nazi is just weak tea. You can do better. You are doing Ben Stein redux.


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